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May 9 10 5:05 AM

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There was some discussion in one of the other threads on how the Elders and Next Generation Elders could be related and I offered to put up this thread to discuss those possible links.
We know that the Witch of Endor is Scathach's grandmother and that Mars is Bastet's brother for starters, and there are more!. Who else could be related do you think, and how?
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May 9 10 5:29 AM

Well, staying on this family tree, we know that Dora and Mars are/were married and had twins Remus and Romulus.
We also know that Prometheus is Scatty and Aoife's uncle.
Somehow Dora considered Hekate "family" ... has anyone figured out that connection ... flamelssecret/idk.gif

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May 9 10 5:42 AM

Do we know for sure that Remus and Romulus were their kids?

The Morrigan is Hekate's and Bastet's niece..So she is Mar's niece as well (from Bastet)..that makes Dora her aunt right? 0.o

And I think Hekate and Bastet are sister.. *is lost* So that means Dora is married to Hekate's brother..that makes her..family.

this is confusing........... flamelssecret/sFun_explosive.gif flamelssecret/faint.gif flamelssecret/crazy.gif flamelssecret/confused0058.gif

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May 9 10 6:05 AM

QUOTE (Elena @ May 09, 2010 05:42 am)
Do we know for sure that Remus and Romulus were their kids?

Yes, we know for sure. Mars talks of it on page 421 (US version) of The Magician ... "Romulus, my younger boy, said that too. He swore to me that he loved his brother, Remus. And then he killed him."

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May 9 10 11:04 AM

Elena, I'm pretty confused about Hekate's relation with Bastet. The Cat goddess did call her 'sister' in the Alchemyst, but what confuses me is that Elders honor blood relations I don't think Bastet would want to kill a biological sister. Also Endor was bent on avenging Hekate's death and I don't think she would care that much if they were only sisters through marriage, so I'm assuming that Hekate and The Witch are related by blood.

Lucothea, I think what Elena meant to say was, we're not quite sure if Romulus and Remus are The Witch of Endor's children with Mars. And I agree, they may be Mars' kids but are they the Witch's sons as well?

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May 9 10 5:30 PM

QUOTE (Moviebuff @ May 09, 2010 11:04 am)
Lucothea, I think what Elena meant to say was, we're not quite sure if Romulus and Remus are The Witch of Endor's children with Mars. And I agree, they may be Mars' kids but are they the Witch's sons as well?

Never thought of that ... I guess I just assumed Dora was their mother since that was pre-Ultor. The book says the Witch of Endor had once loved Mars ... but that had been a long time ago, before he had changed, before he had become known as Mars Ultor. The Avenger.
When he speaks with Josh, his eyes change from red to blue and he says he had twin boys a long time ago and makes it sound like he is referencing a time when he was happy.

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May 18 10 7:19 AM

I don't think that confirms Romulus and Remus' parentage though, but it is a fair point. I also presented that theory once, probably why Mars became The Avenger.

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May 23 10 2:46 AM

Areop-Enop said that Dees Elder could not be a Great Elder because none off them survived the fall of Danu-Talis
BUT,
when Nerseus was talking to Perenelle and said something like "A Great Elder told me an old debt would be wiped clean if i came hear with my daughters"
SO,
This means that there are at least 1 Great Elder left, but if their so great, than im guessing they are really hard to kill and that they are not dead but hiding!

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May 23 10 3:05 AM

QUOTE (deedeeblue @ May 23, 2010 03:46 am)
Areop-Enop said that Dees Elder could not be a Great Elder because none off them survived the fall of Danu-Talis
BUT,
when Nerseus was talking to Perenelle and said something like "A Great Elder told me an old debt would be wiped clean if i came hear with my daughters"
SO,
This means that there are at least 1 Great Elder left, but if their so great, than im guessing they are really hard to kill and that they are not dead but hiding!

Bastet was at least one survivor of the fall of Danu Talis, she fled to Egypt after the flood.

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May 23 10 1:19 PM

QUOTE (deedeeblue @ May 23, 2010 12:48 pm)
Since Bastet fled to Egypt, do you think that maybe she and Machiavilis Elder knew each other?

Bastet and Machiavelli's Elder did know each other. we know that:

QUOTE:

"bastet was there."
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May 23 10 5:38 PM

Great find Sca_thach_Fan! Wow, It's hard to imagine Bastet close to anyone. Maybe we'll be introduced to a new side of her in The Necromancer that comes out in the US in TWO DAYS!!! flamelssecret/hyper_.gif

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Jun 6 10 2:13 PM

QUOTE (Sca_thach_Fan @ May 23, 2010 01:19 pm)
QUOTE (deedeeblue @ May 23, 2010 12:48 pm)
Since Bastet fled to Egypt, do you think that maybe she and Machiavilis Elder knew each other?

Bastet and Machiavelli's Elder did know each other. we know that:

QUOTE:

"bastet was there."
Machiavelli kept his face impassive; he depised the cat-headed goddess but knew she was close to his Elder Master. -The Sorceress

Bastet close to Machiavelli`s Elder - Elder Of Machiavelli = Relative of Bastet?

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Jun 6 10 2:55 PM

QUOTE (N. Machiavelli 3/5/1469 @ June 06, 2010 10:13 am)
QUOTE (Sca_thach_Fan @ May 23, 2010 01:19 pm)
QUOTE (deedeeblue @ May 23, 2010 12:48 pm)
Since Bastet fled to Egypt, do you think that maybe she and Machiavilis Elder knew each other?

Bastet and Machiavelli's Elder did know each other. we know that:

QUOTE:

"bastet was there."
Machiavelli kept his face impassive; he depised the cat-headed goddess but knew she was close to his Elder Master. -The Sorceress

Bastet close to Machiavelli`s Elder - Elder Of Machiavelli = Relative of Bastet?

most elders are inter related. If i'm not mistaken Mars is Scatty's grandfather by marriage

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Jun 6 10 3:27 PM

Mars = Horus
Horus = Bastet`s brother
Bastet is not married to one of scatty`s family.. as far as I know

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Jun 6 10 6:15 PM

Yeah she's not, but they are related by a confusing family tree. Too many elders.

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Jun 7 10 2:31 PM

Mabye Mr. Scott can make a Family Tree of all the Elders and Next Generation...

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Jun 7 10 3:04 PM

QUOTE (N. Machiavelli 3/5/1469 @ June 07, 2010 09:31 am)
Mabye Mr. Scott can make a Family Tree of all the Elders and Next Generation...

I think that would take all the fun out of the discussion if we were just told all the relationships.

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Jun 7 10 3:12 PM

QUOTE (Spacecadet @ June 07, 2010 03:04 pm)
QUOTE (N. Machiavelli 3/5/1469 @ June 07, 2010 09:31 am)
Mabye Mr. Scott can make a Family Tree of all the Elders and Next Generation...

I think that would take all the fun out of the discussion if we were just told all the relationships.

That is a good point.. and we like to discuss

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Aug 5 10 9:32 PM

in one way or another all elders and next generation are related to each other kind of like how all of us (humans) are related distantly

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