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The cat headed Elder.. an Elder of mystery and power .. and one with ancient connections, but who does she answer to, and what could her plans be?
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Aug 2 09 5:38 PM

Well we know for starters that she is a Dark Elder herself so is she working for another Elder or with another Elder or Elders?

We know from The Sorceress that she has direct access to at least one other Elder as she calls to report in Dee's failure. We also know she is close to Machiavelli's Elder. Machiavelli's Elder obviously respects or cares for her enough that even whilst on the phone Machiavelli won't show his true feelings towards her.

And the revelation that she is Mars' sister and therefore The Witch of Endor's sister in law was very suprising. Especially as she seems to agree with his imprisonment and does not wish him free, because of her love for him.

I wonder what her relationship with The Witch is like? Do they respect each other? Hate each other?

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Aug 15 09 10:49 PM

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I wonder what her relationship with The Witch is like? Do they respect each other? Hate each other?

Perhaps it's a combination of both. We have never seen any interactions between them, and when Bastet herself mentioned the Witch she seemed to do so with little feeling. She was, however, telling Dee about Mars with emotion. Maybe she did not want her opinions of the Witch - whether hateful, respectful, or both - to show in front of Dee.

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Aug 17 09 6:05 AM

QUOTE (Indigo Spirit @ August 15, 2009 10:49 pm)
QUOTE (Melpomene @ August 02, 2009 01:38 pm)
I wonder what her relationship with The Witch is like? Do they respect each other? Hate each other?

Perhaps it's a combination of both. We have never seen any interactions between them, and when Bastet herself mentioned the Witch she seemed to do so with little feeling. She was, however, telling Dee about Mars with emotion. Maybe she did not want her opinions of the Witch - whether hateful, respectful, or both - to show in front of Dee.

I agree, She may have hated because of her caring for the humani, aslo the hate may also be a product of fear. the Witch is very formidable, everyone knows that, and what she did to Mars, Bastet surely fears a similar damnation but admires her for doing it. I'm interested to see how their relations will play out in the series since they are on opposite sides of the war and the Witch has proclaimed vengance for Hekate.

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Aug 17 09 10:15 AM

QUOTE (Moviebuff @ August 17, 2009 07:05 am)
QUOTE (Indigo Spirit @ August 15, 2009 10:49 pm)
QUOTE (Melpomene @ August 02, 2009 01:38 pm)
I wonder what her relationship with The Witch is like? Do they respect each other? Hate each other?

Perhaps it's a combination of both. We have never seen any interactions between them, and when Bastet herself mentioned the Witch she seemed to do so with little feeling. She was, however, telling Dee about Mars with emotion. Maybe she did not want her opinions of the Witch - whether hateful, respectful, or both - to show in front of Dee.

I agree, She may have hated because of her caring for the humani, aslo the hate may also be a product of fear. the Witch is very formidable, everyone knows that, and what she did to Mars, Bastet surely fears a similar damnation but admires her for doing it. I'm interested to see how their relations will play out in the series since they are on opposite sides of the war and the Witch has proclaimed vengance for Hekate.

It isn't only revenge for Hekate she has to worry about, after she abandoned Dee, she then became a subject for revenge from Dee too
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He had no doubt that Bastet had reported his
failure. His lips twisted in an ugly smile. One of these days he was going to have to do something about that cat-headed creature. But not now, not yet.

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Aug 17 09 5:49 PM

I just feel bad for Senuhaet, the poor baldy. But what's not to like? She's an evil goddess, she is part cat, she has jewel-inlaid clothes!

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Aug 18 09 7:46 AM

QUOTE (Zephfire @ August 17, 2009 10:15 am)
QUOTE (Moviebuff @ August 17, 2009 07:05 am)
QUOTE (Indigo Spirit @ August 15, 2009 10:49 pm)
QUOTE (Melpomene @ August 02, 2009 01:38 pm)
I wonder what her relationship with The Witch is like? Do they respect each other? Hate each other?

Perhaps it's a combination of both. We have never seen any interactions between them, and when Bastet herself mentioned the Witch she seemed to do so with little feeling. She was, however, telling Dee about Mars with emotion. Maybe she did not want her opinions of the Witch - whether hateful, respectful, or both - to show in front of Dee.

I agree, She may have hated because of her caring for the humani, aslo the hate may also be a product of fear. the Witch is very formidable, everyone knows that, and what she did to Mars, Bastet surely fears a similar damnation but admires her for doing it. I'm interested to see how their relations will play out in the series since they are on opposite sides of the war and the Witch has proclaimed vengance for Hekate.

It isn't only revenge for Hekate she has to worry about, after she abandoned Dee, she then became a subject for revenge from Dee too
QUOTE (The Sorceress p334 pdf)
He had no doubt that Bastet had reported his
failure. His lips twisted in an ugly smile. One of these days he was going to have to do something about that cat-headed creature. But not now, not yet.

but she was only there as a representative of Mars, i guess Dee doesn't look at it that way

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Aug 18 09 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Moviebuff @ August 18, 2009 02:46 am)
QUOTE (Zephfire @ August 17, 2009 10:15 am)
QUOTE (Moviebuff @ August 17, 2009 07:05 am)
QUOTE (Indigo Spirit @ August 15, 2009 10:49 pm)
QUOTE (Melpomene @ August 02, 2009 01:38 pm)
I wonder what her relationship with The Witch is like? Do they respect each other? Hate each other?

Perhaps it's a combination of both. We have never seen any interactions between them, and when Bastet herself mentioned the Witch she seemed to do so with little feeling. She was, however, telling Dee about Mars with emotion. Maybe she did not want her opinions of the Witch - whether hateful, respectful, or both - to show in front of Dee.

I agree, She may have hated because of her caring for the humani, aslo the hate may also be a product of fear. the Witch is very formidable, everyone knows that, and what she did to Mars, Bastet surely fears a similar damnation but admires her for doing it. I'm interested to see how their relations will play out in the series since they are on opposite sides of the war and the Witch has proclaimed vengance for Hekate.

It isn't only revenge for Hekate she has to worry about, after she abandoned Dee, she then became a subject for revenge from Dee too
QUOTE (The Sorceress p334 pdf)
He had no doubt that Bastet had reported his
failure. His lips twisted in an ugly smile. One of these days he was going to have to do something about that cat-headed creature. But not now, not yet.

but she was only there as a representative of Mars, i guess Dee doesn't look at it that way

I dunno I think there is more to bastet than we may think. I know she appears to be a secondary character at the moment, but i think she is playing the field and hiding in the background waiting to pounce (just like a real cat) We know she called someone to inform them that Dee had failed once again to capture the twins, and we know she is closely tied to Mars, and Machiavelli's elder. She's too tied in for her not to be a key player. She may be an observer now but i think shes formulating her next move in the process. Gathering the facts so to speak. And we all know knowledge and information is a powerful thing.

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Aug 18 09 9:28 PM

I agree. I tink Bastet is far more powerful than we yet realize.

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Bastet was a First Generation Elder and one of the original rulers of Danu Talis.


I think this quote is really interesting because I don't generally think of Danu Talis as having a power structure other than the Ruling Twins.

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Aug 18 09 9:32 PM

QUOTE (Lucy @ August 18, 2009 04:28 pm)
I agree.  I tink Bastet is far more powerful than we yet realize.

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The Sorceress P.179
Bastet was a First Generation Elder and one of the original rulers of Danu Talis.


I think this quote is really interesting because I don't generally think of Danu Talis as having a power structure other than the Ruling Twins.

Yes which means that not all the elders prior to the fall of danu talis are dead, clearly bastet was a ruler of danu talis and alive before the fall, which means she is infact not just a dark elder but one of the great elders, and quite possibly one of the original elders.

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Aug 18 09 10:46 PM

I have a sneaking suspicion that Bastet is the least of the OE (Origional Elders) that we will come across in this second triliogy. I think she is just a little taste... that came out way wrong... flamelssecret/crazy.gif flamelssecret/wall_.gif

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Aug 19 09 1:34 AM

QUOTE (mr_mears @ August 18, 2009 10:46 pm)
I have a sneaking suspicion that Bastet is the least of the OE (Origional Elders) that we will come across in this second triliogy. I think she is just a little taste... that came out way wrong... flamelssecret/crazy.gif flamelssecret/wall_.gif

lol, I know what you mean. Sure, Bastet is a Dark Elder and all, and she's certainly not one to mess with, but I think she's not as powerful as Dark Elders come. So I agree with Mr. Mears

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Aug 20 09 8:52 AM

QUOTE (Sparticle @ August 19, 2009 01:34 am)
QUOTE (mr_mears @ August 18, 2009 10:46 pm)
I have a sneaking suspicion that Bastet is the least of the OE (Origional Elders) that we will come across in this second triliogy. I think she is just a little taste... that came out way wrong... flamelssecret/crazy.gif  flamelssecret/wall_.gif

lol, I know what you mean. Sure, Bastet is a Dark Elder and all, and she's certainly not one to mess with, but I think she's not as powerful as Dark Elders come. So I agree with Mr. Mears

I don't think we've seen much of her power yet, though she didn't do so well in The World Tree, she coun't be part of the ruling body in Danus Talis if she was that weak

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Sep 5 09 11:19 AM

I definitely agree with Moviebuff, I think there is an awful lot more to Bastet than we have seen so far. She appears to be a very complex individual is very multi-faceted. At first she is ruthless and cold but has another side, as we see when she talks about her baby brother and her love for him.

I'm very intriguied about her relationship with The Witch, I hope we find a lot more about them.

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Sep 6 09 12:18 AM

QUOTE (Melpomene @ September 05, 2009 09:19 pm)
I definitely agree with Moviebuff, I think there is an awful lot more to Bastet than we have seen so far. She appears to be a very complex individual is very multi-faceted. At first she is ruthless and cold but has another side, as we see when she talks about her baby brother and her love for him.

I'm very intriguied about her relationship with The Witch, I hope we find a lot more about them.

and her relationship with Mars....
Wait a thought just struck,

Wasn't it Bastet who took Dee to the Catacombs to get awakened?

Mars and her are brother and sister aren't they?

So maybe it could be their dad or something? or dad and mother? lol

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Wasn't it Bastet who took Dee to the Catacombs to get awakened?

it was the Morrigan.

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Sep 20 09 11:41 AM

I did not know that Bastet was Mars' sister. I never knew that Horus and Mars were the same persona represented differently in different cultures.

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Sep 22 09 4:37 AM

I don't like her as an elder shes a dark elder and she killed Hekate

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I don't like her as an elder shes a dark elder and she killed Hekate

Bastet didn't kill Hekate, Dr. Dee killed her by killing the Yggdrasil with Excalibur.

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Sep 24 09 12:45 AM

So, what kind of cat head does Bastet have? Is it, like, a Mau's, or a Himalayan's, etc?
Oh, and really, are the Dark Elders called the DARK Elders because they were banished to their Shadowrealms never to return, or is it because they are considered 'evil'? Because Machiavelli and Dee call them Dark Elders, not just Elders, so you would think, if they truly believe in their cause, they don't think they themselves are evil and wouldn't want to be called 'dark'.
Whew! Mouthful!

And seriously, what's wrong with killing people/Elders? It's a big fish eat little fish world out here. I mean, no, I don't want anyone's blood on my hands, but still...lol.

And do the Dark Elders consider themselves evil?

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Sep 24 09 4:33 AM

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So, what kind of cat head does Bastet have? Is it, like, a Mau's, or a Himalayan's, etc?

most images ressembles a Mau and it's the most likely breed since the Mau is known to be the oldest cat breed. although, she also depicted w/ the head of a lioness in the past

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