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Aug 18 09 1:29 PM

If he was tasked to retreive humans in Shadowrealm, would that mean that the Elder that gave him this task stands with the humans? Do we know for sure if there are Elders that will stand against Elders? I think we have seen those who stand with the Elders, Bastet, and those who are impartial, like Hekate.

What if Palemedes just chose to save the humans? I guess that could cause problems if he just walks in a Shadowrealm and its probably not everyone that can, so maybe something happened, to his body maybe, that gives him the option to walk in and out of Shadowrealms freely!?

I do like the idea of Cernunos killing Arthur because he was immortal though. Might be worth looking into Arthur a little more!

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QUOTE (Bellus Stella @ August 18, 2009 08:29 am)
If he was tasked to retreive humans in Shadowrealm, would that mean that the Elder that gave him this task stands with the humans? Do we know for sure if there are Elders that will stand against Elders? I think we have seen those who stand with the Elders, Bastet, and those who are impartial, like Hekate.

What if Palemedes just chose to save the humans? I guess that could cause problems if he just walks in a Shadowrealm and its probably not everyone that can, so maybe something happened, to his body maybe, that gives him the option to walk in and out of Shadowrealms freely!?

I do like the idea of Cernunos killing Arthur because he was immortal though. Might be worth looking into Arthur a little more!

Yes thats one thing i was thinking that possibly palamedes used his "gift" for something outside its intended purpose like rescuing trapped humani. But we also know there are elders out there that have helped the humani in the past, theres prometheus who with the help of the witch gave humani fire, and chronos again with the witch who sent warriors back in time, which im guessing was again to help the humani (cant remember if the purpose of the time travel was specifically stated) but we know scathach and the witch both dont get along with the rest of their family because of the help they have offered the humani. So its possible palamedes was tasked to help humani, but its equally possible he used his "gift" to help others even though it wasnt the intended purpose of the ability.

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Aug 18 09 4:06 PM

QUOTE (Godsryche @ August 18, 2009 12:38 pm)
I just had a thought about our dear knight -

What if Arthur was an Elder and that's why Palamedes is immortal?

Arthur was killed by Cernunnos with Clarent. Seems like an awful lot to kill just some humani, even an immortal one.

And now that Arthur is dead, if he had granted Palamedes immortality than the knight has his immortality basically locked up for good.
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Aug 18 09 4:44 PM

Another "link" if want to call it that, is the legend of how Arthur got Excalibur.

The swords are older than the Elders, so it would make sense that The Lady of the Lake could have been an Archon, giving the sword to an Elder, Arthur Pendragon.

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QUOTE (Spacecadet @ August 18, 2009 08:07 am)
Im wondering if the traveling among shadowrealms freely is more of a curse than a gift. What if in return for immortality palamedes was tasked with rescuing lost humani from the shadowrealms and/or he was given the job of a messenger of sorts, ie delivering things among the elders living in the shadowrealms.

So I'm having a thought, what if Palamedes' Elder is Hermes? He could travel to and from the Underworld without being affected because he was just escorting people there and was the messenger of the gods... he could be using Palamedes as sort of a humani counterpart. If he's seen the Underworld, -- which, haven't we heard that the Underworld is a Shadowrealm? -- he might feel bad about humani having to spend eternity there, and he might want to keep as many humani out of Shadowrealms as possible. He most likely wouldn't have a lot of time to go running around in Shadowrealms rescuing people, so he might have Palamedes and the rest of the Green Knights helping him out. *shrug*

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Aug 25 09 6:27 PM

I don't mean to stray off the topic of Arthurian legend because that is really interesting stuff, but I just made another possible connection to Palamedes.

The Sorceress P. 339,
...there was some evidence to suggest that the Bard had originally written the part of Othello for Palamedes early in the seventeenth century.

Then on page 380 of The Sorceress Nick explains to Palamedes that he wants to go home to be with Perry before he dies,
..and when I die, I want to go with my own dear Perenelle. You were in love once, Palamedes. You understand that."

So in Shakespeare's play Othello is madly inlove with Desdemona, they marry, then Othello is tricked by Iago, the incarnate of pure evil, and ultimately murders his wife.

Do you think that there is a Palamedes/"Iago" connection? Or is there something else Arthurian where Pally is in love? Because Othello was really in love!

Maybe Palamedes received his immortality is one of the darker ways.

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Aug 25 09 10:10 PM

QUOTE (Lucy @ August 25, 2009 06:27 pm)
I don't mean to stray off the topic of Arthurian legend because that is really interesting stuff, but I just made another possible connection to Palamedes.

The Sorceress P. 339,
...there was some evidence to suggest that the Bard had originally written the part of Othello for Palamedes early in the seventeenth century.

Then on page 380 of The Sorceress Nick explains to Palamedes that he wants to go home to be with Perry before he dies,
..and when I die, I want to go with my own dear Perenelle. You were in love once, Palamedes. You understand that."

So in Shakespeare's play Othello is madly inlove with Desdemona, they marry, then Othello is tricked by Iago, the incarnate of pure evil, and ultimately murders his wife.

Do you think that there is a Palamedes/"Iago" connection? Or is there something else Arthurian where Pally is in love? Because Othello was really in love!

Maybe Palamedes received his immortality is one of the darker ways.
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Aug 25 09 10:20 PM

QUOTE (Michael Scott @ August 25, 2009 05:10 pm)
Investigate the legend of Palamedes and you will discover his true love.


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Iseult? That's what my reading of (or attempt to read anyway) of the Arthurian legend as told in the stories like "The High History of Good Sir Palamedes" or Bulfinch's "King Arthur and His Knights" seems to lead me to believe.

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QUOTE (Godsryche @ August 18, 2009 12:38 pm)
I just had a thought about our dear knight -

What if Arthur was an Elder and that's why Palamedes is immortal?

Arthur was killed by Cernunnos with Clarent. Seems like an awful lot to kill just some humani, even an immortal one.

And now that Arthur is dead, if he had granted Palamedes immortality than the knight has his immortality basically locked up for good.

I like this Arthurian twist. I’ve been doing some reading on Arthurian legends. I have a ton more to go, but here are some of the things I have unearthed so far.

There was a battle. Mordred and Arthur fought. Arthur slew Mordred with a spear. Before passing, with is sword, Mordred strikes Arthur with a mortal wound to the head. Arthur is carried off the field of battle and at some point is taken to a waterside where is carried off on a boat with three queens headed to Avalon where is it to recover if possible. Some texts say he died, but many do not. Often they say lines like,

Layamon: From Brut
“The Britons even now believe that he is alive and living in Avalon with the fairest of the elf-folk, and the Britons are still always looking for when Arthur comes returning.”

Wace: From Roman de Brut
“the prophet Merlin rightly said once upon a time that one would not know whether or not he were dead.”

Sir Thomas Mallory:
“Yet I will not say that it shall be so, but rather I will say, here in this world he changed his life. And many men say that there is written upon his tomb this verse: Hic iacet Arthurus, rex quondam, rexque futurus.

Meaning “Here lies Arthur, who was once king and king will be again.

So from all of this it seems that Arthur might not just be Palamedes Elder, but that he might not be dead at all. That…or something else entirely.

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Aug 27 09 4:17 PM

Arthur is a distinct possibility, whether he is and elder or not, or palamedes elder or not remains to be seen. But it is interesting to note that Scatty knew Arthur, Its how she got her title as king maker.

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The question is why was making arthur, a king a mistake, what did he do? does this have something to do with palamedes? Does arthurs death by the hand of Cernunnos (if he's dead) have anything to do with correcting that mistake?

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Aug 28 09 6:44 AM

QUOTE (Spacecadet @ August 27, 2009 04:17 pm)
Arthur is a distinct possibility, whether he is and elder or not, or palamedes elder or not remains to be seen. But it is interesting to note that Scatty knew Arthur, Its how she got her title as king maker.

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And I was called the King Maker when I helped put Arthur on the throne, she added, her voice turning grim. She shook her head quickly. That was a mistake. And not my first either. She laughed, but it came out shaky and sounding forced. I've made a lot of mistakes.


The question is why was making arthur, a king a mistake, what did he do? does this have something to do with palamedes? Does arthurs death by the hand of Cernunnos (if he's dead) have anything to do with correcting that mistake?

I was pondering that same thing a few weeks back, i guess i forgot to run it pass everyone.

why was it a mistake indeed?

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Ahh, Palamedes; my favourite knight of the round table.
Never expected him to come into it; but good! definately on the good side.

I have to agree with you there flamelssecret/Agreed.gif Totally good guy

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Sep 26 09 8:20 PM

He hasn't chose side but I think he will help Flamel and the twins and not be on the other side. I think he is gonna choose the good side. I hope he does i like him.

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QUOTE (Francis De Saint Germain 09 @ September 26, 2009 03:20 pm)
He hasn't chose side but I think he will help Flamel and the twins and not be on the other side. I think he is gonna choose the good side.

Palamedes isn't really a bad guy is he? I think he'll join the good side too.

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Nov 24 09 6:19 PM

QUOTE (TaffyLuver7613 @ November 24, 2009 12:46 pm)
QUOTE (Francis De Saint Germain 09 @ September 26, 2009 03:20 pm)
He hasn't chose side but I think he will help Flamel and the twins and not be on the other side. I think he is gonna choose the good side.

Palamedes isn't really a bad guy is he? I think he'll join the good side too.

as far as we know right now palamedes would like to remain neutral or so he says. Now we know that never actually works out in reality, and we also know he doesnt like flamel or what he's done in the past but he does seem to back the twins, which could be good or bad depending on how you look at it..

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Dec 6 09 6:39 PM

Hey, you know when Joan forms armor around her body, it's silver? And how for a moment Josh turned Clarent to gold? It matches their auras! Paranell disguised her aura so ghosts couldn't sense her. So, Palamedes aura is olive green, but when he forms armor around his body, it's black, right? He has a black aura and is disguising it!

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QUOTE (dramanea @ December 06, 2009 06:39 pm)
Hey, you know when Joan forms armor around her body, it's silver? And how for a moment Josh turned Clarent to gold? It matches their auras! Paranell disguised her aura so ghosts couldn't sense her. So, Palamedes aura is olive green, but when he forms armor around his body, it's black, right? He has a black aura and is disguising it!

That's really interesting, but it could be the other way around. Disguising his green aura as black.

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Dec 6 09 6:53 PM

But when you see his aura, it's green. that would have to mean he's disguising his aura to make it seem green.

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But when you see his aura, it's green. that would have to mean he's disguising his aura to make it seem green.Pages: (7) [1] 2 3 ... Last » ( Go t

But in battle he may be using a black aura which I presume to be the most powerful aura to scare attackers, because scare tactics do work very well.

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Dec 7 09 1:12 AM

We aren't sure what a black aura means, just that it is the rarest. Might have nothing to do with power - even Joan and Sophie, with the same rare aura colors vastly differ in power.

And I happen to still disagree with the Palmedes disgusing his aura, regardless of what hitmanjs (or was it godsryche - can't remember - flamelssecret/idk.gif ) says - I happen to feel that auric armor can be summoned in any color the wearer chooses - (Josh wearing brown auric gloves, Shakespeare with prusumable not-yellow police armor..) - Palmedes wears black armor to reflect his former title of the Black Knight. Then again, I could be wrong - only Michael knows for sure....

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